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舊 07-04-13, 08:57 AM   #26
david
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Xbox One reputation system matches trolls with trolls

by Jessica Conditt (6 hours ago)
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Xbox One's reputation system is a brand new beast designed to group people who harass other players into a separate matchmaking layer, where they'll end up playing with others who can give as good as they get. Players who consistently get banned or reported for griefing will find themselves in games with players who do the same things, Microsoft Senior Product Manager Mike Lavin tells OXM.

"There'll be very good things that happen to people that just play their games and are good participants," Lavin says. "And you'll start to see some effects if you continue to play bad or harass other people en masse. You'll probably end up starting to play more with other people that are more similar to you."

It won't be so easy to sink a specific, innocent player's reputation score in the new system, since the calculations are taken over time, Lavin says.

"If we see consistently that people, for instance, don't like playing with you, that you're consistently blocked, that you're the subject of enforcement actions because you're sending naked pictures of yourself to people that don't want naked pictures of you .... Blatant things like that have the ability to quickly reduce your reputation score," Lavin continues.

This tactic is similar to the Cheaters Pool in Max Payne 3, where players confirmed to have modded games or hacked saves are thrown into an online matchmaking system together, where they play only with other cheaters.

Microsoft's version – the Griefers Pool, maybe – won't impact people's friends lists, but is designed to facilitate anonymous matchmaking based on compatible reputation scores.

"Ultimately if there's a few per cent of our population that are causing the rest of the population to have a miserable time, we should be able to identify those folks," Lavin says.


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舊 07-04-13, 09:57 AM   #27
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那些不想要聯網的人,就讓他們在那部8 年機齡的Xbox 360上玩遊戲滿足自己吧。
唔係咁既字眼, 亦唔係咁既語氣.
原片:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkEe_l7S3g

XBONE之前D政策係抵鬧. 但到底有幾多係因為真確消息, 幾多係因為被加鹽加醋?
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舊 07-04-13, 02:11 PM   #28
now_loading
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Don Mattrick , 呢行黎講我覺得佢算靚佬, 經典場面是MGSR, FF13, XB360 slim 印象較深
其中一個候選人Phil Spencer 講野時, 隻手好似張學友唱歌咁, 有d 似講緊gag

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Don Mattrick 離職後 Microsoft 還將有一輪高層洗牌?
在原 Xbox 業務主管 Don Mattrick 突然離職投奔 Zynga 以後,Microsoft 馬上又將迎來一輪高層洗牌?按照彭博社線人的說法來看情況似乎就是這樣。據稱這次變動是由 CEO Steve Ballmer 主導,為的是將公司今後的策略重點轉向裝置和服務。現任 Windows 部門主管 Julie Larson-Green 未來可能會掌管硬體工程方面的業務,同時 Windows Phone 企業副總裁 Terry Myerson 將會負責更多與跨平台 Windows OS 相關的事務,另外 Skype 總裁 Tony Bates 也將成為收購、開發者關係等方面的話事人。

報導中指出 Mattrick 在離職前也曾參與了相關職位的競爭,根據 Fast Company 的說法他最終會選擇出走也完全是因為在這方面沒有如願的關係。華爾街日報推測下一任 Xbox 主管的人選將會在 Marc Whitten、Yusuf Mehdi 以及 Nancy Whitten 這幾人中產生,如果傳言屬實的話,很快答案就會被揭曉啦。

http://chinese.engadget.com/2013/07/...cturing-rumor/

12+ Ferraris

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His House
■25,000 square feet
■10-car garage
■$27 million worth

His Cars
■12+ Ferraris
■Asked if he owned a dozen Ferraris, he responded, "ish."
■He also likes Lamborghinis and Lotuses.
http://www.fastcompany.com/3013767/don-mattrick
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舊 07-04-13, 04:17 PM   #29
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根據Xbox Skyer果邊既料,呢個位內部係度爭緊,幾激下果隻


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舊 07-04-13, 10:44 PM   #30
Lure
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Microsoft Details Xbox One's Reputation System

Microsoft's reveal of Xbox One's Reputation system explained that Xbox Live will be "rewarding healthy participation while reducing troublemakers and cheaters," but it was unclear just what that meant. Xbox One players will find themselves categorized with similarly categorized players -- obnoxious, negative players will be separated from those who want nothing to do with them.

Microsoft's Mike Lavin explains to OXM that "there'll be very good things that happen to people that just play their games and are good participants. And you'll start to see some effects if you continue to play bad or, or harass other people en masse. You'll probably end up starting to play more with other people that are more similar to you."

Furthermore, everyone's Reputation "will be as fully visible as Gamerscore in your profile," so whether you're rude or a saint, everyone will know. To foster a better community, Microsoft will be hosting events that encourage players to engage in activities that will actively boost their Reputation score.

Lavin clarifies that there's no way for players to torpedo your Reputation when you've done nothing wrong, too. "The way that it's built fundamentally stops that," he says. "It's very much over a period of time. If we see consistently that people, for instance, don't like playing with you, that you're consistently blocked, that you're the subject of enforcement actions because you're sending naked pictures of yourself to people that don't want naked pictures of you.... Blatant things like that have the ability to quickly reduce your Reputation score."

So, you know, only trade naked pictures with someone who wants them.
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舊 07-04-13, 11:04 PM   #31
D-Joe
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Microsoft Details Xbox One's Reputation System

Microsoft's reveal of Xbox One's Reputation system explained that Xbox Live will be "rewarding healthy participation while reducing troublemakers and cheaters," but it was unclear just what that meant. Xbox One players will find themselves categorized with similarly categorized players -- obnoxious, negative players will be separated from those who want nothing to do with them.

Microsoft's Mike Lavin explains to OXM that "there'll be very good things that happen to people that just play their games and are good participants. And you'll start to see some effects if you continue to play bad or, or harass other people en masse. You'll probably end up starting to play more with other people that are more similar to you."

Furthermore, everyone's Reputation "will be as fully visible as Gamerscore in your profile," so whether you're rude or a saint, everyone will know. To foster a better community, Microsoft will be hosting events that encourage players to engage in activities that will actively boost their Reputation score.

Lavin clarifies that there's no way for players to torpedo your Reputation when you've done nothing wrong, too. "The way that it's built fundamentally stops that," he says. "It's very much over a period of time. If we see consistently that people, for instance, don't like playing with you, that you're consistently blocked, that you're the subject of enforcement actions because you're sending naked pictures of yourself to people that don't want naked pictures of you.... Blatant things like that have the ability to quickly reduce your Reputation score."

So, you know, only trade naked pictures with someone who wants them.
其實幾耐之前就見過中文翻譯版,雖然唔係同一篇文不過都係講緊同一樣野
http://www.xbox-skyer.com/showthread.php?t=422590


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舊 07-05-13, 08:28 PM   #32
安安
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http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/4/82534.html
根據美國媒體 Bloomberg 報導,微軟 Windows 專案管理企業女副總 Julie Larson-Green
即將接手微軟硬體部門,其中包含 Xbox 相關事務。

  Julie Larson-Green 已於微軟任職 19 年,早年曾參與 Office、Internet Explorer
3.0 和 4.0 開發工作,也曾於 2007 年領導產品使用者介面設計及研究;而後更負責
Windows 7、Windows 8 的專案管理。
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舊 07-05-13, 08:33 PM   #33
D-Joe
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http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/4/82534.html
根據美國媒體 Bloomberg 報導,微軟 Windows 專案管理企業女副總 Julie Larson-Green
即將接手微軟硬體部門,其中包含 Xbox 相關事務。

  Julie Larson-Green 已於微軟任職 19 年,早年曾參與 Office、Internet Explorer
3.0 和 4.0 開發工作,也曾於 2007 年領導產品使用者介面設計及研究;而後更負責
Windows 7、Windows 8 的專案管理。
巴哈D留言真係神奇,接手"接手硬體工程""接手微軟硬體部門"唔知同遊戲有乜關係
遊戲果part近年一直係上面now_loading提到果個張學友負責


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舊 07-06-13, 11:55 AM   #34
now_loading
God of Gamer
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惡名昭彰.
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讓線上玩家「物以類聚」,微軟介紹 Xbox One 新一代聲譽系統
由 Ross Wang 於 12 hours 之前發表


許多對登入 Xbox Live 上線遊玩感到卻步的朋友,一方面除了怕遇到怎樣都不肯合作闖關,只想逞英雄卻能力不足扯後腿的玩家,讓人對於合作戰感到挫折,還有很大的一部份應該就是擔心會遇到一些,用系統無法察覺的不當手段阻礙一般玩家正常遊戲的惡劣玩家。才剛宣布推出 Xbox One 次世代主機的微軟,這次打造出了一個新的聲譽系統(Reputation system),打算用來揪出這些把無聊當有趣令人玩興全無的玩家,並且好好地幫你找出與你更合拍的玩家來。

官方在接受 OXM 的訪問時介紹了這個新一代的聲譽系統。它可透過玩家舉報的頻率配合數量等數據作為參考(避免因單一判定而產生多數玩家霸凌少數的歪風),並在罪證確鑿後用降低惡劣玩家在系統內的聲譽進行處罰,系統還會用聲譽提升來鼓勵提出檢舉的正義行為。除了舉報功能之外,熟悉的 Xbox Live 獎勵計劃還會獎勵團隊合作表現良好的玩家,以鼓勵玩家間保持良好遊戲互動;至於喜歡扯人後腿的玩家,則是會被系統分類在一起。

以上基本上,就是用聲譽系統來達成「物以類聚」的效果。讓喜歡惡搞的人可以搞(!?)聚集在一塊,而偏好團隊合作的玩家,也可以降低遇到不喜歡這類打法玩家的機率,彼此井水不犯河水。不過畢竟離 Xbox One 正式上市 還有得等...,所以實際的線上遊玩狀況如何,就還要等到正式動手玩後才能知道囉。
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舊 07-06-13, 12:44 PM   #35
大覺屋師真
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>>>獎勵團隊合作表現良好的玩家
>>>偏好團隊合作的玩家
喺cod對於散客/細team/弱者來講, 對面永遠一team屈人重生果d咪又係可以乞佢憎, 基本上都係同360時代一樣無咩作用, d人都係對於贏自己太多嘅就dislike, 最後會唔會反而果班"good player"其實係成班新手?
不過我地偏遠地區人仕一定比歐美話你ping差dislike你架喇, 我地死路一條


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此篇文章於 07-06-13 12:46 PM 被 大覺屋師真 編輯。
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舊 07-06-13, 01:28 PM   #36
now_loading
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VanHelsing
 
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其實太保護又未必好事,人生要有苦有甜。
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舊 07-06-13, 01:45 PM   #37
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惡名昭彰.
XBOX 360目前的「太厲害」劣評,某程度是一種讚賞嚟~!


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舊 07-06-13, 02:33 PM   #38
D-Joe
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作者: 大覺屋師真 查看文章
>>>獎勵團隊合作表現良好的玩家
>>>偏好團隊合作的玩家
喺cod對於散客/細team/弱者來講, 對面永遠一team屈人重生果d咪又係可以乞佢憎, 基本上都係同360時代一樣無咩作用, d人都係對於贏自己太多嘅就dislike, 最後會唔會反而果班"good player"其實係成班新手?
不過我地偏遠地區人仕一定比歐美話你ping差dislike你架喇, 我地死路一條
個人覺得呢個唔會用目前360既標準黎做投訴準則,畢竟比而家既罰得較為嚴重


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舊 07-06-13, 07:32 PM   #39
now_loading
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http://m.edge-online.com/features/11...first-console/

這全是第一代ms主機放棄冇用的名字, AIO 現在用得番,3 6 0 原來好早出現過

- MAX (Microsoft Action Experience)
- AIO (All In One)
- MIND (Microsoft Interactive Network Device)
- FACE (Full Action Center)
- MITH (Microsoft Interactive Theatre)
- XON (Experience Optimised Network)
- MVPC (Microsoft Virtual Play Center)
- TAC (Total Action Center - discs/games could be called TACs)
- MARC (Microsoft Action Reality Center)
- LEX (Live Entertainment Experience)
- M-PAC (Microsoft Play and Action Center)
- RPM (Real Performance Machine)
- MOX (Microsoft Optimal Experience)
- E2 (Extreme Experience)
- MTG (Microsoft Total Gaming)
- VIP (Virtual Interactive Player)
- PTP or P2P (Powered To Play)
- VIC (Virtual Interactive Center - disks/games could be called VICs)
- MARZ (Microsoft Active Reality Zone)
- TSO (Three, Six, Zero)
- EHQ (Entertainment Headquarters)
- O2 (Optimal Ozone or Optical Odyssey)
- MIC (Microsoft Interactive Center)
- R&R (Reality and Revolution)
- MEA (Microsoft Entertainment Activator)
- AMP (Active Microsoft Player)
- VPS (Virtual Play System)
- MAP (Microsoft Action Play)
- MEGA (Microsoft Entertainment & Gaming Attendant or Microsoft Entertainment & Gaming Assembly)
- CPG (CyberPlayGround)
- VERV (Virtual Entertainment & Reality Venture)
- OM (Odyssey of the Mind)
- P2 (PowerPlay)
- IS1 (Interactive System In One)
- MET (Microsoft Entertainment Technology or Microsoft Entertainment Theatre)

此篇文章於 07-06-13 07:35 PM 被 now_loading 編輯。
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舊 07-06-13, 09:44 PM   #40
Number Two
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咁"xbox"又係乜野意思


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舊 07-06-13, 10:59 PM   #41
now_loading
God of Gamer
VanHelsing
 
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以貌取名卦 X

此篇文章於 07-06-13 11:17 PM 被 now_loading 編輯。
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舊 07-06-13, 11:06 PM   #42
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咁"xbox"又係乜野意思
DirectXbox


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舊 07-06-13, 11:16 PM   #43
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明天會更好
 
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以貌取名吧。
所以中文要叫凶盒?


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舊 07-07-13, 12:26 AM   #44
now_loading
God of Gamer
VanHelsing
 
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日文叫凶盒, 中文應是龱吧....
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舊 07-07-13, 07:34 PM   #45
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neet 人生~~~
 
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日文叫凶盒, 中文應是龱吧....
日本係 "凶箱"

而當有Xbox 獨佔game 之後係其他主機出係 "脱箱"


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舊 07-08-13, 06:49 AM   #46
D-Joe
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http://money.chinatimes.com/news/new...20130611002891
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聯強(2347)今天召開股東會,總經理杜書伍表示,看好下半年營運優於上半年,尤其亞太地區在澳洲、香港、台灣都獨家代理微軟新Xbox One,預計下半年上市,將成為反攻市場一大利器。
 聯強今日召開股東會,會上通過配發現金股利2元,以今日開盤價43.4元計算,現金殖利率4.6%。聯強今日股價開高走揚,上漲逾1%,站回季線支撐。

 微軟10日在洛杉磯E3展前發表會上宣布,新Xbox One遊戲機11月在美國推出,售價為499美元,超出大多數玩家的預期。

 杜書伍表示,去年微軟Xbox並無推出新機,導致去年為Xbox黯淡的一年,看好今年下半年新Xbox One遊戲機上市,且聯強獲得在澳洲、香港、台灣的獨家代理權,此外,在三星、SONY已陸續取得代理權,而中國聯通合作也正在洽談中。
原來今次都係聯強


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舊 07-08-13, 08:39 AM   #47
ahleung
The One
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「預計下半年上市」,講緊港台定澳洲先?
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舊 07-08-13, 09:05 AM   #48
D-Joe
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「預計下半年上市」,講緊港台定澳洲先?
佢地可以係指講緊財年下半年=14年3月30日前的


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導致去年為Xbox黯淡的一年
佢真係識講笑。


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快下台吧!



今次我這篇文章的主角好大喜功、卻令公司一蹶不振;又經常向用戶開出承諾,結果卻被發現只是「語言偽術」;雖然成千上萬人要求他下台,但他的屁股卻依然黏在權力首座上。對號入座者,與人無猶,但這位主角,卻是微軟執行官鮑爾默。

上月底,微軟於三藩市舉行開發者大會,正式宣布推出Windows 8的更新版本Windows 8.1。新版本終於讓用戶自行設定,在電腦開機時可直接進入傳統的電腦桌面,而不是硬性規定進入“Modern”觸控介面;另一大改動,是於舊版本中被取消了的「開始」按鈕,終重回到桌面當中了。很 多外國用家,以至科技博客都說,這個新版本,終於漸漸接近大眾心目中那個喜歡的Windows;在開發者大會現場,台下的觀眾甚至對此改動報以熱烈掌聲。 站在台上的執行官鮑爾默,彷彿自己立了大功,在一片歡呼聲之中笑容滿面,卻好像忘記了,Windows 8的失敗、甚至微軟這些年來的積弱,根本就是他一手做成!

不經不覺,自蓋茲於00年退居幕後,鮑爾默上場已十年有多。然而微軟在這十年的發展,卻可以用慘淡來形容。在個人電子市場,微軟幾乎從無一仗成功。例如音樂播放器Zune、曾經雄霸智能手機市場的Windows CE,以至甘於押上與全球硬件公司的關係而推出的平板電腦Surface,均最終淪為笑柄。至於唯一看到曙光的家用遊戲機市場,卻又因即將推出的XBOX One定位不清楚而添上變數。

即使在作業系統及軟件開發的本業上,鮑爾默領導的微軟亦做得不好。例如05年由他主理的Windows Vista,推出日期早已嚴重延誤,更被批評運行速度慢、改進及新增功能太少,結果用家們甚至要想方法,阻止自己的電腦升級到Windows Vista。一間靠賣作業系統起家的公司,結果弄了一套人人討厭的作業系統出來,相信也只有微軟一家了。

事實上,坊間要求鮑爾默下台的聲音早已十分響亮,去年,褔布斯雜誌甚至評他為「全球五大應當被炒魷的執行官」之首位。然而他在微軟的地位仍然穩固,為甚麼呢?相信是他擁有高超的辦公室政治手腕罷了。

過去,挑戰鮑爾默執行官寶座者當然不少,最接近的一位名叫Steven Sinofsky。這位昔日與鮑爾默同台力推Windows 8的老臣子,於去年11月竟忽然宣布離開微軟。日前,美國證券交易委員會傳出消息,原來微軟竟送了1,430萬美元的股票給Steven Sinofsky,作為他退休協議的一部分。協議中還有一條款,表明Steven Sinofsky不可以詆毀微軟。難怪他做了Windows 8失敗下的替死鬼,也一直沒有公開批評鮑爾默了。

鮑爾默近日的另一「罪行」,就是將Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment Business的主管Don Mattrick踢走,親自主理這個以XBOX業務為主、仍有發展空間的部門。縱觀這位老兄的所作所為,是否與在七一遊行中被強烈要求下台的那位十分相似?


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