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wing · 12-17-15, 12:01 PM

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作者: Dyhalt Rushifar

WIIU係任天堂專用機黎，點同

而且WIIU間唔鐘有獨家大作吊命，VITA跟著半年有咩GAME叫得做獨家大作？
雖然在下唔會買WIIU…

gundam vs

Dyhalt Rushifar · 12-17-15, 12:04 PM

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作者: wing

gundam vs

果隻閹GAME就算吧…

supermanlady · 12-17-15, 07:24 PM

小島秀夫監督/新川洋司氏が新「コジプロ」について語る！少数精鋭で新規IPに着手
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBe4qaS6n_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDASoOxxKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N2zuXyeESU

小島秀夫：
立ち上げたばかりで、これからスタッフ募集や事務所を探したりしなくちゃならないんですが
まあ、東京で少数精鋭のスタッフを集めて、そこである程度、小回りが効く形でスタートします
新しいスタジオのコンセプトですが、
これまで通り丁寧なモノ作りをしつつ、それなりのクォリティーを目指しますが、
今までの大きな所では出来なかったことですね、
フットワークも軽くなりますし、結構とんがったものもできると思うので
そういうのも踏まえて、今までのクォリティーを保ちつつ、
これまで出来なかった新しい事をやっていきたい。
これから作る作品ですけど、新しいフランチャイズとなるような物にしていきたいですし、
スタジオの規模はそんなに大きくしたくなくて
少数精鋭で、やっぱり小回りが効くっていうのが、重要だと思うので
そんなに大きものからじゃなくて、まずは一つのものに集中して作りながら
余力があれば他のものも手がけていきたいと思います

新川洋司：
今までのコジプロでやってきた仕事と変わらないと思います。
キャラデザをやって、背景デザインして、メカニックデザインして、全体も見るという事ですね。
今まで通り一生懸命頑張りたいです。
ただ、以前の会社では出来なかったことも色々チャレンジしていきたい。
そうですね。今まで「凄く愛されてきた作品」があったんですけど
それを超えるような新しいビジュアルとキャラクターを作りたいなというのが僕の中での一つの目標です。

小島秀夫：
ソニーさんのプレイステーション。僕が世界市場で弾けたのはプレイステーションのおかげだと思ってます。
あれから十数年、一緒に仕事させて頂いていますが、スタッフの方を含め
相性が良くて、非常にフレンドリーで、いつも気持ち良く仕事ができるので
いろんな大手の会社から、オファーがあったんですけど
やっぱりお互いがお互いを知り得ている、そういう環境でやりたいと思ったのでそれでソニーさんに決めました。
気持ちよく仕事ができる事と、お互いを分かり合ってるので、
その関係の上に新しいIPを作るのが良いのかなとソニーさんに決めました。

小島秀夫：
ソニーさんともそうですけど、久夛良木さん、平井さん、アンディーさん･･･
それぞれトップの方々とも仲良くさせて頂いていまして、そこの信頼関係がやっぱり大きいですね。
海外の色んな会社からもオファーが来たんですけど
これから新しい関係をいろいろ築いていくというのも、もちろん楽しいんでしょうけども
僕は今までの十数年間、一緒にこの業界でやってきた人達がいるので
更にもっと深く信頼関係を築いてゲームを作りたいと思ったので
やっぱりソニーさんかなと思いました

新川洋司：
小島監督と新しい作品を作れるという事で、僕自身もドキドキワクワクしてる感じなんですけど、
今回、物凄い数のファンの方々の温かい声援が届いてきていて、
今まで一生懸命やって来たことが良かったなと自分自身思っています。
その声援に答えられるように、またコジプロで頑張りたいという気持ちでいます

小島秀夫：
この業界に入って来年で30年、今52歳ですけど
新たにスタートという事で、僕は死ぬまで現役でゲームを作っていきたいと思ってます。
なので、その辺はみなさん、ご安心して頂いていいと思います。
今まで以上に面白いもの、新しいものを作りたいと思いますので
応援していただければ、と思います。

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/...and-the-future

引用:

"The focus is on digital content, so we could consider movies, animations, anything," Kojima said. "But first I think people expect games from me. That’s where I want to put my focus. Once we have an established IP in games, something solid that satisfies people, then we can consider movies and videos."

海外サイトIGNによるインタビュー記事では、動画では触れなかった部分にも言及。
最初に手掛けるプロジェクトこそゲームであるものの、アニメや映画など、他媒体への制作も検討できるとしました。
また、現段階で使用するゲームエンジンは未定としており、既存のものを使うか、
新たなエンジンを作るかについてはリサーチする必要がある、と語っています。

wing · 12-17-15, 07:43 PM

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作者: Dyhalt Rushifar

果隻閹GAME就算吧…

出到咁夾硬都要出psv版, 但又唔出ps4版, 真係俾佢吹漲

www43w2002 · 12-17-15, 09:13 PM

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作者: 細路翔

http://img.2cat.org/~tedc21thc/new/s...0255192686.jpg

係k島見到

konami wwww

冇左

( ﾟωﾟ)? · 12-18-15, 03:03 AM

Hideo Kojima talks new studio, Sony partnership

Video interview at IGN

On the New Studio

Hideo Kojima, founder: “For the new start, we’re just starting right now with this new studio. First we have to find an office, put together the manpower. I’m thinking of looking for offices here in Tokyo. Something not-too-big, I’m thinking smaller-scale, not too many people, and focusing on game creation at first.

“So the concept for this new studio would be creating things with good quality, and keeping the quality we’ve had so far, or even pushing it higher, while doing big things that so far we couldn’t do. We’ll have more agility, we’ll be able to do things that are more edgy, preserving the quality we’ve had so far, while at the same time finding new challenges and exploring new areas.

“When it comes to the things we want to do, of course it will be on creating new franchises and new IP. That will be the initial focus.

“As far as how big I want it to be, I don’t want it to be too big. I want to focus on the agility of the studio, how efficiently we are able to do things. For the first time, I want to focus on one game, on one thing. And after that, if we can do it, maybe we’ll start to do more things. But for the time being, we’re focusing on one thing.”

Yoji Shinkawa, art director: “I’ll be in charge of creating the concept for the characters, concepts for the backgrounds, concepts for the mechs, their designs. Once that’s done, I’ll also overlook the whole art process. In that regard, it won’t change that much. I hope I can do my best the way I’ve been doing so far.

“One thing that’s different is I want to accept more challenges and do things as I wasn’t able to do before. I want to expand, on a personal level, the things I can do. We’ve been working on a franchise that is beloved and has recognizable characters. One of my big goals is, visually, as well as whatever characters we create, go beyond that, are more recognizable, are more beloved. That’s definitely one of the goals I have when it comes to the art side.

“We’ve been working on a franchise that is beloved and has recognizable characters. One of my big goals is, visually, with whatever characters we create, to go beyond that, to be more recognizable, more beloved. That’s definitely one of the goals I have when it comes to the art side.”

On the New Logo

Kojima: “I’ve always loved astronauts, and [the new Kojima Productions logo] is designed so it can be seen as a medieval knight or an astronaut’s helmet. The concept is, with new technology and a pioneer spirit, we want to bring you to a new realm – within the digital world, I mean – we want to travel together with you to a new realm to which no one has gone before.

“As for the skeleton, we’re homo sapiens – people of wisdom – but we’re also homo ludens – people who play – and the concept behind this logo is that: With new technology and a pioneer spirit, we’ll deliver play to a new world.”

On the Sony Partnership

Kojima: “With Sony PlayStation, they make their content globally. It’s thanks to Sony that I was able to make a splash in the global market. It’s been 10-plus years since then and the working relationship at Sony, the people at Sony, we gel well. People at Sony have been friendly with me, I work well with them. I got several offers from many different companies, but with Sony it came to a point where I know these people, we know each other well. I feel like this is an environment where I will be able to make something and be comfortable. And I believe that is the environment I need right now.

“We know each other, we understand each other, and based on this relationship, I think it’s a good point to create a new IP. That’s the reason I chose to work with Sony on this project.

“I want to create something that’s what people expect, but at the same time will have something new that people haven’t seen before. It will be a complete game.”

On the Game Engine

Kojima: “We could go either way. Whether it’s using an existing engine or making another engine. We’ll have to do some research before making a decision on that one.”

On the Japanese Market

Kojima: “I make games in Japan for a global market. As long as there’s a market out there in the world for making games, I’m not too focused on what’s happening in the domestic market in Japan.

“However, because I make games for all the world, I want to make games that go to a global market. If there are very fun games are out there, I believe they will eventually find their way to Japan. People in Japan will start consuming them.”

On Working with Guillermo del Toro

Kojima: “Mr. Del Toro is a talented person and a very good friend of mine. Every now and then we talk about working together in the future, but I cannot make that guarantee here. But I definitely want to work with him in the future. I have no idea what I’ll be working on with him, if it’ll be a game, a movie, anime, but someday I definitely want to create something with him.”

On Looking Ahead

Shinkawa: “I’m getting the opportunity to create a new game again with Mr. Kojima. I’m really excited for this. One thing that happened through this period, the voice of the fans, the people who expected a lot, they gave me courage. They made me feel really well. I felt really gratified having worked so hard in creating games and doing the art I create. I want to correspond to the fans, to get back to them, and I think working again with Mr. Kojima is a great way to do this.”

Kojima: “I’ve been in this industry for 30 years. I turned 52 this year. I’m getting to a new start, and I am very confident. I’ll keep creating games until the day I die. Rest assured I’m making more games, something more fun, something you haven’t seen, and it would be great if I could count on the fans to support me in this.”

GN00508771 · 12-18-15, 07:18 PM

小島秀夫氏「目先の利益を追えば時代に取り残され、再び追いつくのは不可能になる」

串到應一應www

柚原このみ · 12-21-15, 01:47 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elemen...ssion-unlocked
只顧眼前利益，將會被時代遺棄，再追上去將會無可能

月之民￣▽￣ · 12-21-15, 07:01 PM

Kojima Productions Official Goods Set
¥6,480
Release Date 2016/02
Accepting Reservations

■Product detail
・T-Shirt (Available in S, M, L, and XL)
・Tumbler
・Stickers
・Pins

http://kojimaproductions-store.jp/en...KPS_OS_ORG_001

Akira 明 · 12-21-15, 11:13 PM

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作者: 月之民￣▽￣

Kojima Productions Official Goods Set
¥6,480
Release Date 2016/02
Accepting Reservations

■Product detail
・T-Shirt (Available in S, M, L, and XL)
・Tumbler
・Stickers
・Pins

http://kojimaproductions-store.jp/en...KPS_OS_ORG_001

買了一套,加埋SHIPPING¥8,480
得件TEE同隻杯有用

(其實都幾貴下,當係集資吧!)

Multi · 12-22-15, 01:03 AM

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作者: Akira 明

買了一套,加埋SHIPPING¥8,480
得件TEE同隻杯有用

(其實都幾貴下,當係集資吧!)

¥6,480都合理,你睇下cospa

我覺得最貴係果2000運費

而且無論係買1套定4套都係收2000.....

豪傑公子 · 12-22-15, 09:31 AM

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作者: 柚原このみ

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elemen...ssion-unlocked
只顧眼前利益，將會被時代遺棄，再追上去將會無可能

其實呢句說話係同所有日本廠講~~

安安 · 12-23-15, 02:23 AM

https://tw.tech.yahoo.com/news/%E6%B...032445676.html
前Fox Engine技術總監加入Bandai Namco

7ming_格鬥苦手 · 12-23-15, 11:24 PM

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作者: 安安

https://tw.tech.yahoo.com/news/%E6%B...032445676.html
前Fox Engine技術總監加入Bandai Namco

感覺很浪費....

野良猫 · 12-24-15, 10:11 AM

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作者: 7ming_格鬥苦手

感覺很浪費....

如果可以幫到笨大開發技術提升的話倒係好事，反正笨大就係技窮

Dr.KOF · 12-24-15, 03:37 PM

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作者: 噹噹dondon

以硬件條件黎講手遊唔差只不過課金制度限死左手遊個玩法
其實參考下韓國堆免費網遊經營手法再肯發大佢黎做
理應唔會差得過手提機

依家D手遊雖然有千百種，但永遠離唔開PAD個賺錢模式
任你玩法點變，都一定係育成「遊戲角色」從而想引人課金提升成長速度

呢D坑錢mode中一次都唔中第二次啦。Konami等死啦。

Dyhalt Rushifar · 12-24-15, 03:44 PM

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作者: Dr.KOF

呢D坑錢mode中一次都唔中第二次啦。Konami等死啦。

…其實會墮坑既人真係好多，即時真係會出現遞減，呢種生意模式都應該仲可以WORK相當既時間。
到時咪正式CUT咗GAME DEPARTMENT佢囉。
點睇佢地都係冇興趣追GAME市場，只係盤算緊點樣攞盡錢再搵個靚位撤離。

Akira 明 · 12-28-15, 06:07 PM

依家小島首要做既係籌資同請人
錢有sony射住唔使擔心,
但請人唔知小島會點打算,sony唔知會唔會俾埋人佢
原班kojima production又唔知夠唔夠人手,個fox engine總監又走埋

其實佢可以請下d新血培訓人才,薪金低但質素或無保障
請現成出名個d錢又要用好多

第一隻作品我估未必大賣,不過有口碑回到本已經叫好好了

( ﾟωﾟ)? · 12-28-15, 06:20 PM

其實以前所有係Konami啲嘢都唔用得，包括fox engine, 估佢新公司會用UE4多，又平又多人識同唔駛花錢花時間開發新engine

引用:

作者: Akira 明

依家小島首要做既係籌資同請人
錢有sony射住唔使擔心,
但請人唔知小島會點打算,sony唔知會唔會俾埋人佢
原班kojima production又唔知夠唔夠人手,個fox engine總監又走埋

其實佢可以請下d新血培訓人才,薪金低但質素或無保障
請現成出名個d錢又要用好多

第一隻作品我估未必大賣,不過有口碑回到本已經叫好好了

真!DC · 12-28-15, 06:30 PM

小島本身個名應該都號召倒人加入吧
由手機版發出

月之民￣▽￣ · 01-01-16, 11:02 AM

2016年はこの業界に入って「30年」という節目の年。心機一転、頑張っていこうと思います。 pic.twitter.com/4xdpxDy1jv
— 小島秀夫 (@Kojima_Hideo) 2016, 1月 1

可口可樂可口可樂

qwe · 01-03-16, 06:38 PM

想問有無人知小島果副眼鏡香港邊度有得賣? 或者係咩牌子?

( ﾟωﾟ)? · 01-03-16, 08:44 PM

http://mgsv-jfrey.com/en/

引用:

作者: qwe

想問有無人知小島果副眼鏡香港邊度有得賣? 或者係咩牌子?

qwe · 01-03-16, 11:13 PM

引用:

作者: ( ﾟωﾟ)?

http://mgsv-jfrey.com/en/

thanks
完完全全地超出負擔

Akira 明 · 03-02-16, 10:40 AM

GOODS SET已收

估唔到效率咁快,原本諗住收唔到都算,
當俾小島集資

12-18-15, 03:03 AM	#331
( ﾟωﾟ)? God of Gamer Volks初音已接收註冊日期: Dec 2010 文章: 9,253	Hideo Kojima talks new studio, Sony partnership Video interview at IGN On the New Studio Hideo Kojima, founder: “For the new start, we’re just starting right now with this new studio. First we have to find an office, put together the manpower. I’m thinking of looking for offices here in Tokyo. Something not-too-big, I’m thinking smaller-scale, not too many people, and focusing on game creation at first. “So the concept for this new studio would be creating things with good quality, and keeping the quality we’ve had so far, or even pushing it higher, while doing big things that so far we couldn’t do. We’ll have more agility, we’ll be able to do things that are more edgy, preserving the quality we’ve had so far, while at the same time finding new challenges and exploring new areas. “When it comes to the things we want to do, of course it will be on creating new franchises and new IP. That will be the initial focus. “As far as how big I want it to be, I don’t want it to be too big. I want to focus on the agility of the studio, how efficiently we are able to do things. For the first time, I want to focus on one game, on one thing. And after that, if we can do it, maybe we’ll start to do more things. But for the time being, we’re focusing on one thing.” Yoji Shinkawa, art director: “I’ll be in charge of creating the concept for the characters, concepts for the backgrounds, concepts for the mechs, their designs. Once that’s done, I’ll also overlook the whole art process. In that regard, it won’t change that much. I hope I can do my best the way I’ve been doing so far. “One thing that’s different is I want to accept more challenges and do things as I wasn’t able to do before. I want to expand, on a personal level, the things I can do. We’ve been working on a franchise that is beloved and has recognizable characters. One of my big goals is, visually, as well as whatever characters we create, go beyond that, are more recognizable, are more beloved. That’s definitely one of the goals I have when it comes to the art side. “We’ve been working on a franchise that is beloved and has recognizable characters. One of my big goals is, visually, with whatever characters we create, to go beyond that, to be more recognizable, more beloved. That’s definitely one of the goals I have when it comes to the art side.” On the New Logo Kojima: “I’ve always loved astronauts, and [the new Kojima Productions logo] is designed so it can be seen as a medieval knight or an astronaut’s helmet. The concept is, with new technology and a pioneer spirit, we want to bring you to a new realm – within the digital world, I mean – we want to travel together with you to a new realm to which no one has gone before. “As for the skeleton, we’re homo sapiens – people of wisdom – but we’re also homo ludens – people who play – and the concept behind this logo is that: With new technology and a pioneer spirit, we’ll deliver play to a new world.” On the Sony Partnership Kojima: “With Sony PlayStation, they make their content globally. It’s thanks to Sony that I was able to make a splash in the global market. It’s been 10-plus years since then and the working relationship at Sony, the people at Sony, we gel well. People at Sony have been friendly with me, I work well with them. I got several offers from many different companies, but with Sony it came to a point where I know these people, we know each other well. I feel like this is an environment where I will be able to make something and be comfortable. And I believe that is the environment I need right now. “We know each other, we understand each other, and based on this relationship, I think it’s a good point to create a new IP. That’s the reason I chose to work with Sony on this project. “I want to create something that’s what people expect, but at the same time will have something new that people haven’t seen before. It will be a complete game.” On the Game Engine Kojima: “We could go either way. Whether it’s using an existing engine or making another engine. We’ll have to do some research before making a decision on that one.” On the Japanese Market Kojima: “I make games in Japan for a global market. As long as there’s a market out there in the world for making games, I’m not too focused on what’s happening in the domestic market in Japan. “However, because I make games for all the world, I want to make games that go to a global market. If there are very fun games are out there, I believe they will eventually find their way to Japan. People in Japan will start consuming them.” On Working with Guillermo del Toro Kojima: “Mr. Del Toro is a talented person and a very good friend of mine. Every now and then we talk about working together in the future, but I cannot make that guarantee here. But I definitely want to work with him in the future. I have no idea what I’ll be working on with him, if it’ll be a game, a movie, anime, but someday I definitely want to create something with him.” On Looking Ahead Shinkawa: “I’m getting the opportunity to create a new game again with Mr. Kojima. I’m really excited for this. One thing that happened through this period, the voice of the fans, the people who expected a lot, they gave me courage. They made me feel really well. I felt really gratified having worked so hard in creating games and doing the art I create. I want to correspond to the fans, to get back to them, and I think working again with Mr. Kojima is a great way to do this.” Kojima: “I’ve been in this industry for 30 years. I turned 52 this year. I’m getting to a new start, and I am very confident. I’ll keep creating games until the day I die. Rest assured I’m making more games, something more fun, something you haven’t seen, and it would be great if I could count on the fans to support me in this.” __________________ PS4線上中文用戶指南 PS4系統軟件更新遙控遊玩＼(^o^)／ｵﾜﾀ (;´Д`) ヽ(; ﾟдﾟ)ﾉ (￣∀￣) (´・ω・`) ∠(ﾟДﾟ)／ｷﾀ━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━ !!!!(´๑•ω•๑`) (๑д๑) (˘ω˘)zZ ( ﾟωﾟ ) ∞ヾ(´д´)ﾉ ก็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔก้ (¯ 3 ¯)❤(◕‿◕✿) ('A`)（･ิω･ิ) (´д｀) <(￣ω￣･)> 〆(・ω・`) (´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)淚目 (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧掂 +×(ง⌐□ل͜□) 退休啦! (ง︡'-'︠)ง┗( ✧_✧)┛*(ʘдʘ) EA-y(￣Д￣)｡o :game怪有咁勁得咁勁,裝備有咁屎得咁屎,咪等啲友玩得咁舒服,玩完嗱嗱聲pay-to-win.抽loot box有咁難得咁難,box有咁罕有放咁罕有,啲課長咪啫聲抽完抽過第二次囉.

12-18-15, 07:18 PM	#332
GN00508771 The One 我係早見廚~有意見嗎註冊日期: Sep 2004 文章: 25,367 4897 6540 2372 KYOK12JP	小島秀夫氏「目先の利益を追えば時代に取り残され、再び追いつくのは不可能になる」串到應一應www __________________ 開始係日本生活~ 請叫馬沙做梟博士「紅蓮を纏え、エクシア！」 Fate/GO ID 335,820,884

12-21-15, 01:47 AM	#333
柚原このみ God of Gamer 註冊日期: Oct 2002 文章: 6,621	http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elemen...ssion-unlocked 只顧眼前利益，將會被時代遺棄，再追上去將會無可能 __________________ 戇_叔都成四十歲人日日只係識係自己FB對住個Mon除褲打飛機

12-21-15, 07:01 PM	#334
月之民￣▽￣ God of Gamer \（ ´ー`）/ 註冊日期: Feb 2002 文章: 12,525	Kojima Productions Official Goods Set ¥6,480 Release Date 2016/02 Accepting Reservations ■Product detail ・T-Shirt (Available in S, M, L, and XL) ・Tumbler ・Stickers ・Pins http://kojimaproductions-store.jp/en...KPS_OS_ORG_001 __________________ 「你所看的究竟是哪一個YUKI?是從天上飄下來的，抑或是──」謎めく乙女に　みんな～（アイヤ　アイヤ　ヤー　ヤヤヤヤー）刺激が視線で　過激～（アイヤ　アイヤ　ヤー　ヤヤヤヤー）誰か私を泣かせてよ（泣かせて～私を～泣かせて～）誰か私を泣かせてよ（泣かせて　そっと泣かせて）ダメカナ？ダメダヨ♪

01-01-16, 11:02 AM	#346
月之民￣▽￣ God of Gamer \（ ´ー`）/ 註冊日期: Feb 2002 文章: 12,525	2016年はこの業界に入って「30年」という節目の年。心機一転、頑張っていこうと思います。 pic.twitter.com/4xdpxDy1jv — 小島秀夫 (@Kojima_Hideo) 2016, 1月 1 可口可樂可口可樂 __________________ 「你所看的究竟是哪一個YUKI?是從天上飄下來的，抑或是──」謎めく乙女に　みんな～（アイヤ　アイヤ　ヤー　ヤヤヤヤー）刺激が視線で　過激～（アイヤ　アイヤ　ヤー　ヤヤヤヤー）誰か私を泣かせてよ（泣かせて～私を～泣かせて～）誰か私を泣かせてよ（泣かせて　そっと泣かせて）ダメカナ？ダメダヨ♪

12-23-15, 02:23 AM	#338
安安 God of Gamer 註冊日期: Jan 2002 文章: 8,144	https://tw.tech.yahoo.com/news/%E6%B...032445676.html 前Fox Engine技術總監加入Bandai Namco

12-28-15, 06:07 PM	#343
Akira 明 Game Master 註冊日期: Jun 2007 文章: 2,017 5966-9891-3387 3351 4032 4168 ming3107	依家小島首要做既係籌資同請人錢有sony射住唔使擔心, 但請人唔知小島會點打算,sony唔知會唔會俾埋人佢原班kojima production又唔知夠唔夠人手,個fox engine總監又走埋其實佢可以請下d新血培訓人才,薪金低但質素或無保障請現成出名個d錢又要用好多第一隻作品我估未必大賣,不過有口碑回到本已經叫好好了

12-28-15, 06:30 PM	#345
真!DC Banned User 奉行我道註冊日期: Jan 2003 文章: 24,683	小島本身個名應該都號召倒人加入吧由手機版發出

01-03-16, 06:38 PM	#347
qwe Game Master 註冊日期: Oct 2008 文章: 2,566 TCShing	想問有無人知小島果副眼鏡香港邊度有得賣? 或者係咩牌子?

03-02-16, 10:40 AM	#350
Akira 明 Game Master 註冊日期: Jun 2007 文章: 2,017 5966-9891-3387 3351 4032 4168 ming3107	GOODS SET已收估唔到效率咁快,原本諗住收唔到都算, 當俾小島集資

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