PlayStation 4 2013年年末商戦に発売

[龍寶寶]

依家公佈個規格,會唔會到正式出時性能大縮水?

[neo2046]

not to expect too much on Clouding

Is cloud gaming the future?

I compare cloud gaming to the Internet from a few years ago, where you could not make action games because it was not fast enough, etc. And developers have tended to favor the kinds of games that could afford to have a high latency. Cloud gaming has the same kind of situation: it addresses many issues, but it still does not work as well as what we want. Meanwhile, it should only be used for certain types of games, more analytical...


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Interview with UBI's Yves Guillemot (PS4, cloud, Watch Dogs, Vita, Wii U sales,etc.)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514716

[money]

http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999024/20130221064/

4Gamer：
　先ほどと似た質問になりますが，PS4が従来のコンセプトに当てはまらないものなら，デザインもこれまでのPlayStationシリーズにないイメージになる可能性がありますよね。

河野氏：
　いやー，どうでしょうね（笑）。正直なところを言うと，私も最終デザインは見ていないんです。今日発表になったコントローラにしても，最終形を見たのは昨日だったぐらいで。コードネームで「ジェダイ」と呼ばれていた頃からプロトタイプはいくつか見ていますし，「タッチパッドが搭載される」といった最終仕様についても聞いてはいましたが。」

[破戒僧]

The PlayStation 4 can output in 4K, but not games
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/playstation-4-4ktv/


Sony: PSN games won't transfer to the PS4, nor will your game saves
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/s...ansfer-to-ps4/

[Dyhalt Rushifar]

作者: RPG之鬼

用另一角度看，其實依家有咁多X周年大集合(某COM最鐘意)或XXX HD版，只要本身是有本錢，應該可以以另一種方式再出

希望可以出翻MGS1 TS版同SILENT HILL 1就好了

真係唔好再HD版嘞下嘛…REMAKE得唔得呀…

[龍寶寶]

作者: Dyhalt Rushifar

真係唔好再HD版嘞下嘛…REMAKE得唔得呀…

REMAKE機會好低,最大問題係皮費貴,所以應該大量HD化當道

[川上双葉]

作者: 龍寶寶

依家公佈個規格,會唔會到正式出時性能大縮水?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/21/40...in-development

[Y.Bird]

作者: saberlam

講真看完WATCH DOG和KILLZONE, 畫面就是PC遊戲特效全開既效果, 但唔震撼.

講震撼, Crysis 3 震撼得多多聲, 真係次世代. (我玩緊PC版ORIGIN買的. 他媽的無敵震撼, 準備買多張670組SLI全開爽之).

有錢FPS PC 永遠最好選擇，
家機似終太多限制。

前題當然有足夠金錢。

[pet3]

作者: 冬霜之子lucky

未砌新PC既可以考慮入新遊戲機，砌左或只係要換張新卡玩GAME既，可以等到的新機減價先。

單是電腦基本上無日系遊戲(唔計女女女game)玩就已經可以完全無視pc果邊

[hinasaki]

睇死佢重演PSP後踩PSV歷史

[( ﾟωﾟ)?]

Here’s what a chip expert says about the PlayStation 4′s potential




February 20, 2013 6:09 PM
Dean Takahashi




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Read all of our PlayStation 4 coverage (including games) here.
Sony unveiled the PlayStation 4 today at an event in New York. The new machine will be extremely powerful, building upon a foundation of PC technology rather than the legacy of the PlayStation 3.
Sony didn’t explicitly release details about the PS4′s capabilities, but it disclosed plenty of information that gives technologists something to discuss. After all, modern-day game consoles pack the technology of recent supercomputers into an affordable and attractive box for the living room. As such, they are among the highest technological achievements that engineers can create. We’ve pinged Kevin Krewell, a longtime chip analyst at the Linley Group, for his reaction.
Advanced Micro Devices is most likely the provider of the processor. [Update: Sony confirmed this in its subsequent press release]. Sony didn’t say so, but it referred to an “accelerated processing unit,” which is AMD’s terminology for a chip that combines a microprocessor and graphics processing on a single piece of silicon. As two-chips-in-one, it’s more economical for a game console.
“This is an AMD chip with Radeon graphics,” Krewell said.
Sony’s Mark Cerny, (pictured above), the system architect for the PlayStation 4, said that the machine will have a local hard disk drive, 8GB of main memory (using the GDDR5 flavor from fast PCs), an enhanced PC GPU, and 64-bit x86 processing. Again, AMD fits the bill for all of that. Sony called it a “custom processor,” meaning it combined AMD’s cores in a unique way.
The advantage of using PC technology — a move that matches that made by Microsoft with the original Xbox — is that Sony can take advantage of all of the volume economics of the PC industry to lower the costs of its machine. The drawback, however, is that Sony may have a harder time distinguishing the performance of its machine from high-end gaming PCs at some point in the PS4′s life cycle.
The machine uses its GPU for particle physics processing, which indicates GPU Compute, Krewell said. That likely means it will support OpenCL computing, or using the graphics cores to do nongraphics tasks. The specs in fact say that the GPU has 18 compute units that collectively produce 1.84 teraflops of computing power. Combined with the CPU, the computing power tops 2 teraflops.
[Update: Anand Shimpi of Anandtech mentioned in a post that high-end PCs that cost a couple of thousand dollars can already do more than this kind of graphics performance, but the graphics are much better than the PS 3's.]
Krewell also said that the 176GB/s of memory bandwidth is 3.7 times the bandwidth of the Cell processor (made by IBM for the PlayStation 3, with Rambus XDR main memory) and the Nvidia RSX (GDDR3) graphics chip memory bandwidth combined. The 8GB of GDDR5 memory is 16 times the memory of the PS3.
The system will have an optical disc reader that can read 6X Blu-ray and 8X DVD discs. That means it can get data off those discs faster than the original, slower Blu-ray and DVD drives of the past.
The machine has several options for video output, including analog, HDMI, and digital optical. It has universal serial bus (USB 3.0) input-output. It has standard Ethernet and Bluetooth 2.1.
Sony didn’t give any other speeds and feeds, so it’s hard to estimate clock speeds and which AMD processor and graphics cores are in it, Krewell said.
Cerny mentioned that the machine will turn on instantly. You can press the power button and put the game into suspend mode. It will stop where it is, and then you can tap the power button later to resume the game immediately. You can also use the PlayStation Vita, a smartphone or tablet as a second screen. You can use that second screen as a remote, or use it perform some actions from afar. You can, for instance, view a map on a second screen while playing an adventure game. Or you could use your second screen to spectate games being played by your friends.
[Update: Shimpi said that Sony referenced dedicated video encode and decode technology that allows a player to instantaneously record and share screenshots and video of your gameplay. This may be the same hardware that allows the PS 4 to function as a game server and stream gameplay to a PlayStation Vita].
Sony will use the cloud gaming technology from Gaikai to run “past, present, and future” PlayStation titles, according to Gaikai chief executive David Perry, whose company Sony acquired last year for $380 million. This likely means that Gaikai cloud gaming power playing older PS3 titles on the PS4 through cloud-based infrastructure. That obviates the need to put backward-compatibility hardware in the PS4, cutting its overall costs.
Cerny acknowledged that the “radical technology” of the past Cell processor got in the way of simplicity for game developers. So the new machine is making the leap to PC technology, which can easily run engines such as Epic Games’ Unreal Engine 4. Sony showed a demo of Unreal Engine 4, reportedly running in real time on the PS4.
“It’s very comparable to a mid- to high-end gaming PC,” Krewell said. “Even though the CPU is combined with the GPU on one die, like most PC processors today, the higher bandwidth memory and custom design indicates it should have graphics performance more like a discrete GPU found in a gaming PC.”
Cerny mentioned that the CPU has eight cores and a state-of-the-art GPU,with a combined two teraflops of computational performance. He showed the Havok physics engine running on the PS4 while consuming very little of the system’s overall computing power.
Will history matter?

In the last technology arms race, the technical specifications didn’t really matter.
By the end of 2012, Nintendo sold more than 100.2 million Wiis, while Microsoft sold 79.2 million Xbox 360s, and Sony sold 75.2 million PlayStation 3s, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.
With the current generation of consoles, Microsoft came out first in 2005 at $300 and $400, while Sony and Nintendo followed in the fall of 2006. Sony’s machine packed so much technology in it, including a state-of-the-art Blu-ray player, that it cost $500 and $600 at the outset. But Microsoft used one of the same core designs that Sony did. The three-core Xbox 360 processor proved a match in terms of the visuals it could deliver compared to the PlayStation 3, and Microsoft made improvements along the way.
Both Microsoft and Sony used the traditional console chip strategy. They developed high-end chips using some of the very best — but also cost-friendly — chip designs available. They sold their initial hardware at a loss and then reaped the benefits in terms of software revenues — the “razor and razor blade” model.
Over time, they rode the cost curve down. Every year, they redesigned the system boards and other components with the goal of cost reduction in mind. And every couple of years, they switched to a more advanced manufacturing process. This curve, of course, comes from the continuous innovation of the semiconductor industry that has been codified as Moore’s Law, which holds that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every two years. Chip makers did this by shrinking the width between circuits. With shorter circuits, electrical signals could move from one part of the chip to another faster. The power consumed declined, and since the distance between circuits was smaller, chips could be made smaller and still perform the same functions as earlier generation chips. Since the chips were smaller, they consumed less material, the yield (or ratio of functioning chips out of the total made) improved, and the costs went down.
In the case of console chips, the system makers reduced the cost while maintaining the same level of performance. They could reduce the cost of making the consoles dramatically every couple of years, and over the course of six or seven years, they have been able to bring the prices down.
An Xbox 360 now sells for $200 to $300, but with much larger hard disk capacities. The PS3 sells for the same.
But Nintendo’s Wii turned the technology race in a new direction, unexpectedly adding motion-sensing controls with a remote control-like controller. It cost only $250, and Nintendo claimed from the outset that it wasn’t selling the hardware at a loss. Nintendo used older chip processes and started out with much lower costs. It now sells a Wii for $130. That enabled it to reach a much wider mass market.
Yet Nintendo’s console ran out of steam before its rivals did. While the graphics of PS3 and Xbox 360 games raced ahead, the cartoon graphics of the Wii made it seem like a poor substitute. For the past couple of years, the Xbox 360 has sold more units than the Wii, erasing some of Nintendo’s previous overwhelming lead in this generation.
Microsoft’s fortunes turned around as it continuously upgraded its software-driven Xbox Live service, and then it introduced the motion-sensing Kinect add-on system, which enabled the console to recognize gestures and voice commands. The Xbox 360 had just enough horsepower to pull off Kinect — something the Wii clearly couldn’t do with its aging technology.
This time around, Nintendo’s low-cost strategy may have failed. The new Wii U ($300 to $350) upgraded the experience from the old Wii to match what the PS3 and Xbox 360 could do, and it enabled Nintendo games to use high-definition graphics. But the Wii U isn’t even outselling the Xbox 360, and Nintendo has shaved back its estimates for sales ending March 31 to 4 million, down from 5.5 million earlier. Nintendo evidently didn’t make enough of a technological leap, even though it tried to incorporate the tablet phenomenon into its new game system.
Meanwhile, all three of the console makers are being buffeted by competition from Apple and Google-based smartphones and tablets.




Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/20/sp...5os8PTCxsVy.99

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作者: pet3

單是電腦基本上無日系遊戲(唔計女女女game)玩就已經可以完全無視pc果邊

PC 係我黎講...

如果你玩開槍Game又會對 Analog 爆粗嘅話
或者你唔想2046先黎一隻GT嘅話 (唔係Forza 呢d頹貨)

PC係唯一優秀嘅選擇

[蒼之星雲]

http://chinese.engadget.com/2013/02/...ansfer-to-ps4/

現有的 PSN 遊戲將無法在 PlayStation 4 上使用，存檔也不行
由 Sanji Feng 於 56 minutes 之前發表

在 PlayStation 4 的發表會上 Sony 已經確認由於架構不同的關係（PlayStation 3 為 PowerPC，PlayStation 4 為 x86）PlayStation 4 將不會有原生向下相容 PS3 的能力，而現在 SCE 總裁吉田修平（Shuhei Yoshida）又為我們帶來了一個不好的消息，那就是現有的 PSN 遊戲也將無法在 PlayStation 4 上使用。

不過在發表會上原 Gaikai 主管 Dave Perry 曾表示會設法從雲端串流 PlayStation 1 / 2 / 3 的遊戲到 PlayStation 4 主機之上，按照吉田修平的說法 Sony 會致力於改善伺服器端和雲端的服務，以求為用戶帶來更多經典的遊戲。但他同時也指出這會是一個「長期計畫」，所以大家就先耐心等一等吧。

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PSN買左果d 野, 是帶不到去next station?
早幾日鬥買得多野的玩家感覺如何

睇黎720都好多位可以入, 做優點...

[野良猫]

即係叫我哋依家開始唔駛响psn上面買p3嘢

[D.K.]

睇左成日各種報導.今次發表會對d想由360轉會o既人黎講真係得啖笑

要向下兼容, 冇
要新game, 未有
要新體驗, 收到張唔知對唔對現o既期票

對舊玩家又冇照顧到.
連自己有o既龐大舊資源都可以放棄.

對股東? 尋日個股價反映左唔多like啦...

究竟今次發表會對象係邊個? 面面不討好, 做黎做乜?

[強化人間ですの～★]

作者: D.K.

睇左成日各種報導.今次發表會對d想由360轉會o既人黎講真係得啖笑

要向下兼容, 冇
要新game, 未有
要新體驗, 收到張唔知對唔對現o既期票

對舊玩家又冇照顧到.
連自己有o既龐大舊資源都可以放棄.

對股東? 尋日個股價反映左唔多like啦...

究竟今次發表會對象係邊個? 面面不討好, 做黎做乜?

向下兼容關360轉會咩事

[D.K.]

作者: 強化人間ですの～★

向下兼容關360轉會咩事

想玩齊ps3/4. ps3就實唔買,
冇ps3 o既library, ps4有排先等夠game想買.

個人:雖然想玩日系game, 不過唔係必需.

[Dyhalt Rushifar]

作者: D.K.

睇左成日各種報導.今次發表會對d想由360轉會o既人黎講真係得啖笑

要向下兼容, 冇
要新game, 未有
要新體驗, 收到張唔知對唔對現o既期票

對舊玩家又冇照顧到.
連自己有o既龐大舊資源都可以放棄.

對股東? 尋日個股價反映左唔多like啦...

究竟今次發表會對象係邊個? 面面不討好, 做黎做乜?

俾大家一個心理準備，費事一出嚇死全城

好似仲話4K唔對應GAME…
http://ggsoku.com/2013/02/playstation4-4k-native/
不過其實4K係咩黎？なにそれ？おいしいの？

[川上双葉]

微硬只要講句確認封殺二手市場我就唔會考慮
理佢向下兼容初代X盒

作者: Dyhalt Rushifar

俾大家一個心理準備，費事一出嚇死全城

好似仲話4K唔對應GAME…
http://ggsoku.com/2013/02/playstation4-4k-native/
不過其實4K係咩黎？なにそれ？おいしいの？

對屋企用MON/細小小既電視人黎講,4K冇用
倒不如1080P 60FPS

[( ﾟωﾟ)?]

PowerPC 啲遊戲機應該過渡唔到去 X86

[D.K.]

作者: Nivlek

微硬只要講句確認封殺二手市場我就唔會考慮
理佢向下兼容初代X盒



對屋企用MON/細小小既電視人黎講,4K冇用
倒不如1080P 60FPS

封二手咁唔生性, 佢送人過檔就真係冇計
我實走

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當PS4 係另一部機無煩惱

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作者: Dyhalt Rushifar

俾大家一個心理準備，費事一出嚇死全城

好似仲話4K唔對應GAME…
http://ggsoku.com/2013/02/playstation4-4k-native/
不過其實4K係咩黎？なにそれ？おいしいの？

未出者, 唔係出唔到, 我唔信呢個config 出唔到4K angry bird, 俄羅斯方塊

SCE 總裁吉田修平：PlayStation 4 可以播放 4K 影片，但暫時還不能玩 4K 遊戲

由 Sanji Feng 於 20 minutes 之前發表


文章分類: 遊戲相關




SCE 總裁吉田修平（Shuhei Yoshida）今天在接受 Joystiq 採訪時確認 PlayStation 4 將可以播放以 4K 解析度錄製的影片，不過暫時還不支援 4K 遊戲。在之前的 CES 2013 上 Sony 曾大力推廣自己旗下的 4K 產品（平井一夫在接受我們訪問時可談了不少），現在看來他們似乎有些要調整節奏的意思。畢竟對首批（今年聖誕假期左右）購買 PlayStation 4 的消費者來說，擁有 4K 電視的估計還是少數吧。

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講真...預期搞 Cloud, 我想寫寫個正正常常嘅 EMU 好過